Christianity vs. Atheism Debate Dave Hunt vs. Professor Christopher diCarlo


The video above is a debate that was held at All Saints Catholic High School, Ontario, Canada. The moderator is Peter Koropatwa who has a Master degree in Apologetics. Dave Hunt is a Christian apologist, speaker, and world renown author. Professor Christopher diCarlo is an instructor at the University of Ontario and is an outspoken activist for critical thinking, humanism and secularism. He was once a Roman Catholic who then became an Atheist.

The popular claim of atheists is that, “The Bible cannot be trusted, it is not a science book. Shouldn’t Science be the one to determine absolute truth (big ‘T’ Truth)?” Well my response to that is yes, the Bible can be trusted. I will admit it does not go into copious scientific details but when it talks about science it is always correct. I will demonstrate here 20 scientific points outlined by the Bible which Dave Hunt did not mention in his debate. I will warn Atheists this, if you navigate and read through all my points you will find it hard to cling to Atheism anymore:


1) The Earth is Hung By Nothing
2) Earth is Round
3) The Universe is Flat and Expanding
4) The Sun has an orbit in Space
5) Pleiades and Orion’s Belt
6) The Anthropic Principle
7) The 1st law of Thermodynamics
8) The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Entropy
9) We live in a Digital Simulation!
10) Air has Weight
11) Light behaves as a particle and a wave
12) The Formation of Wind Patterns and the Coriolis Effect
13) Springs of the Sea
14) The Water or Hydrologic Cycle
15) Anticipation of Microbes, Bacteria, Viruses and Diseases
16) The institution of Quarantine Procedures
17) Life is in the Blood
18) The Bible knew the ideal time for Circumcision and its benefits
19) Electricity can send messages?
20) Bible talks about Dinosaurs


 


1) The Earth is Hung By Nothing:

Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

This is interesting because  during the same time that Job was written many cultures around the world suggested that the world sat on elephants which all stood on a world tortoise (the Hindus) or that the Earth was held up by the titan god Atlas (the Greeks). The Egyptians even believed the world was suspended by five massive poles. In 1608, Sir Isaac Newton, a Christian, theorized that the Earth was suspended by nothing in space. Job was written over 3000 years ago, the fact that the world is hung by nothing was confirmed by Astronauts only in 1961.

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2) Earth is Round:

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

The Bible describes the Earth as a “circle,” we all of course know that the Earth is slightly spherical but there was no Hebrew word for “spherical” or “sphere.” The Hebrew word for “circle” used here is “Khoog.” God is omnipresent and from his perspective the Earth would indeed appear as a circle to Him at all angles. The Bible, while limited by vocabulary, still successfully showed that the Earth is like a sphere and I will explain how. If the Bible indicated that the world was a “flat circle” then, the Earth would have two shapes it would look like a “circle” in one view and also like a “line” (“flat”) in another view. However, the Bible only says “circle” which shows that the Earth has to be circular from every perspective which is a very clever way to convey the meaning of spherical in spite of the vocabulary limitation.

The Bible further refutes the “flat circle” idea when one considers what it tells us in Job 26:10:

Job 26:10
He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

The above verse clearly describes what we know as “terminators” in astronomy, which are a twilight zones which separates the day side and night side of planets. As such this verse confirms that the Earth is round in nature. Of course, I have one more proof to share with you, which further confirms that the Bible says the Earth is round:

Revelation 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

For those reading this, who thinks the Bible says the Earth is flat, think again! Because the Bible tells us that the Earth has a “bottomless pit.” What is a bottomless pit? In geometry, a “bottomless pit” is a term synonymous to “the center of a sphere.” From a sphere’s center all directions are up and hence theoretically fits the description of a bottomless pit. As such, we see that the Bible once again indirectly confirms that the Earth has a spherical nature. It must be noted that for every proof, it avoids the error of saying that it is a perfect sphere – so I am astonished at how God cleverly avoids this error. The fact that the Earth is round was also confirmed by Astronauts in 1961.

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3) The Universe is Flat and Expanding:

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

The Bible repetitively states that God stretches the heavens out  in Job 9:8;  Job 26:7; Job 37:18; Ezekiel 1:22; Isaiah 40:22; Jeremiah 51:15; and many more verses. The oldest sources of this fact in the Bible is over 3000 years old, but science has only recently discovered that the universe is expanding. Edwin Hubble in 1929, discovered that the universe is in fact showing signs of expansion. Scientists also believe that the universe is thin in one dimension, in other words, flat. I find this interesting because the heavens in the Bible is sometimes described as a “curtain” and we know that curtains can be stretched but more importantly is flat. I would go further on to say that the “curtain” and “tent” descriptions subtly show that the universe is also in fact finite as point 7) will show, as an infinitely long curtain or large tent is not possible.

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4) The Sun has an orbit in Space:

Psalms 19:6
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Scientists laughed at the above verse because it seemed to suggest that the sun moves around the earth, which we know is not true. But they failed to recognize that the motion is not relative to the Earth in the above verse but rather the “heaven.” Science have proven now that out sun has an orbit in space and is not stationary which is a very common misconception. The sun travels at about 600,000 miles per hour within a “circuit” exactly as described in the Bible.  It was Thomas Wright in 1750 who first suggested that the sun has an orbit which was further elaborated by Immanuel Kant in 1755. The book of Psalms made this claim over 3000 years ago! How did the author know this?

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5) Pleiades and Orion’s Belt:

Job 38:31
Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

This verse makes two points that a)  there are bonds between the seven stars of  the Pleiades and b) that the three stars of Orion can be “loosed.” The first point has been recently proven by scientists; there are gravitational forces between the stars of the Pleiades.  What we see as seven stars is actually a collection of 250 suns all bound together in the same orbit and drifting in the same south eastern direction in space. Pleiades are bound together much like a school of sardines in the ocean and precisely has the relationship that the Bible indicates. From Lick Observatory Dr. Robert J. Trumpler says, “The Pleiades stars may thus be compared to a swarm of birds, flying together to a distant goal.”

With respect to Orion’s belt, scientists have made calculations that in time the two right-hand stars Mintaka and Alnilam will approach to each other and form a naked-eye double.  While the third star, Alnitak, will eventually drift away to the east and thus “break the band” of Orion’s belt. Therefore this verse has a dual meaning to it; it is actually a fact and a prophecy at the same time.

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6) The Anthropic Principle:

Isaiah 40:12
Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The anthropic principle states that universe shows signs of design which seems to be tailored with mankind and all life in mind. This was the conclusion after a half century of astronomy and physics which shows that laws of physics and the constants display signs of fine-tuning to ensure that man can live. A simple example of this is the position of the Earth from the sun; not to far and not too close just right. There are many other examples of anthropic principle, for instance, one can look no futher than water. Water is the one of a handful of natural substances that when solid can actually float upon itself, a property which makes it possible for fishes to survive in frozen lakes under sheets of ice. This principle was first popularized by the comments of Robert Dicke in 1961, thousands of years after the Bible made this claim.

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7) The 1st law of Thermodynamics:

Genesis 2:1, 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The 1st law of Thermodynamics simply states that energy cannot be created nor be destroyed; that the energy throughout  the universe is finite and fixed. Well the verse above in simple words infer the same meaning. It was Rudolf Clausius and William Rankine who first coined this law in 1850, thousands of years after the Bible indicated that the universe and its energy is finite and constant.

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8) The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Entropy:

Psalms 102:25, 26
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

The 2nd law of Thermodynamics state that entropy or decay is on the rise throughout the universe as energy is wasted and as matter is dispersed. This law is often accredited to Nicolas Carnot in 1824 . Once again the Bible presented complex modern science in relatively simple words and imagery.

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9)  We live in a Digital Simulation!:

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The Bible from the verses above when read carefully convey the meaning that this is not the real world; that we  are rather living in a fabricated reality, just like “The Matrix” trilogy. The fact is that scientists, specifically the quantum physicists, have determined that the universe is in fact a complex hologram or an elaborate digital simulation. They came to this conclusion after the double slit experiment and observing that electrons behave as a wave or particle depending on the influence of the observer of the experiment (termed  Wave Function Collapse). This is a truly fascinating discovery, I encourage you to watch this clip for more on this:

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10) Air has Weight:

Job 28:25
To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.

It was always taught that air has no weight to it. However, the Bible verse above clearly indicates that it does. Science in ancient times classified air as an element called “Aether,” which is Greek for “fresh air,” this substance was for a very long time was assumed to be weightless. It was in 1640 that Evangelista Torricelli discovered that air in fact does have weight, which is exactly what the Bible says.

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11) Light behaves as a particle and a wave:

Job 38:19
Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

It was only in the 17th century that men described light as being waves or particles. Christiaan Huygens was one of the first to propose the wave nature of light, which is confirmed by phrase “the way” in the verse above. On the other hand, Isaac Newton was the one who proposed that light exists as a particle which is also insinuated by the Bible’s use of the words “dwelleth” and “place” as if light has a fixed or stationary nature to it (locality). It is through Albert Einstein and the “Particle-Wave Duality” in the 20th century that both opposing theories became true; that light was proven to behave as a wave and particles.  Is it just a coincidences that the Bible got the nature of light right for both natures of light? I don’t think so, the odds of that would be astronomical, pun intended.

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12) The Formation of Wind Patterns and the Coriolis Effect:

Job 38:24
By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

The Bible above obviously suggests above that the light creates the winds on the Earth. This is proven true by science: the hot air over sunlit places rises and cold air moves in to fill the gap, thus wind is produced. The jet stream was discovered by Wasaburo Oishi in 1920s. The most interesting thing about this is that at the same time the Bible indicated that light caused winds on Earth other cultures like the Greeks claimed that their god Aeolus blows upon the Earth to create winds. Strange enough, this same culture that produced such an absurd claim is the same one that provided the discipline of philosophy (from Plato, Aristotle and Socrates) still taught  today and accepted, while the Bible proven time and time again is rejected.

Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

The above verse clearly and accurately describes the Coriolis effect which explains the origin of wind pattern and more significantly defines them as having “loops” just as the Bible correctly uses the word “circuits.” The Coriolis effect was named by its founder Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis in 1835, however, the term was only applied  in meteorology in the early 20th century.

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13)  Springs of the Sea:

Job 38:16
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

This above verse was for a very long time mocked and laughed at by skeptics until the 23 foot long submersible called “Alvin” with 3 geologists inside discovered hot springs at the bottom of the ocean in the Galapagos Rift in the Pacific Ocean. The springs were rich in Chlorine and minerals and its plumes extended as far as 13m high.

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14)  The Water or Hydrologic Cycle:

Amos 9:6
It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.

Job 36:27, 28
For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:
Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly.

Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

It is obvious to anyone with sense that these verses all perfectly describe what we call the Water Cycle. The Bible wrote this over 3000 years ago, long before this fact became popularized by Bernard Palissy in the 16th century.

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15)  Anticipation of Microbes, Bacteria, Viruses and Diseases:

Leviticus 15:13
And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean.

God establishes the laws of cleansing oneself with clean running water to the Israelites. At the same time this was happening, the Egyptians used oils and scents made from the burnt remains of plants and animals, that only masked the odor. So, Moses was not inspired by the traditions of men but by the wisdom of God Almighty. These practices was founded thousands of years before disease causing microbes like bacteria were discovered by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek in the 17th century. These cleansing laws were invented long before viruses were even discovered in 1892 by Dmitri Ivanovsky.

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16) The institution of Quarantine Procedures:

Leviticus 13:45, 46
And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean.
All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be.

The above sounds as a carbon copy of the quarantine practices of our modern day. In fact, the Europeans used these procedures between 1348 to 1359 to combat the spread of the Black Death. In fact the word “quarantine” comes from the Venetian word “quaranta” which means “forty” which was the number of days that ships were required to remain isolated in order to avoid the spread of the Black Death. Informed Christians know the significance of the number forty in the Bible. If you are not aware of the significance of this number please read this. This is a clear instance where science has applied the teachings of the Bible – of course it will never admit that this practice originated from the Bible.

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17) Life is in the Blood:

Leviticus 17:11, 14
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

The Bible once again proves a fact which is well accepted by science. The blood serves various purposes but one of the major ones being the means to deliver oxygen to the cells throughout the body via the red blood cells. Red blood cells were discovered in 1685 by Jan Swammerdam and hemoglobin, that facilitates the oxygen carrying property in blood, was discovered decades later. In fact George Washington , the first US president, who was suffering from a throat infection died  in 1799, because of bloodletting, an archaic and unbiblical medical “cure” practiced by guess who? The Greeks.

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18) The Bible knew the ideal time for Circumcision and its benefits:

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

It is a proven scientific fact that the 8th day is the ideal day to perform surgeries in babies. The 8th day is the day where the prothrombin and vitamin K, both involved in the coagulation of blood, are at above average levels, making the cut heal faster. How can Moses possibly know this? Trial and error? With trial and error he would have had dead babies on his hands! Another interesting fact is that circumcision  has been shown to reduce the risk of STD transmissions by half! These are all remarkable proofs that the Bible is certainly inspired by an all knowing God; not man.

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19) Electricity can send messages?:

Job 38:35
Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

The verse above is perhaps one of the most telling verses in the Bible, as it implies that electricity can be used to send messages. Guess what? The Bible is right once again! The very first electrical message was successfully sent by Francis Ronalds’ primitive electrostatic  telegraph which was perfected by Pavel Schilling, who made the electromagnetic telegraph in 1832. This may be considered as another prophetic verse.

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20)  Bible talks about Dinosaurs:

Job 40:15-17
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

The above is a clear description of a dinosaur possibly a brontosaurus or maybe a titanosaurus. In any case, God must be describing a living animal which Job had to be familiar with. Some may debate that this may be an elephant or a hippo but this verse demands common sense, none of those animals have tails that remotely behaves or  resembles a cedar tree! Evolutionists will of course attack this verse as it makes the additional implication that mankind lived with dinosaurs as recent as Job’s time which was a little over 3000 years ago. Even if you deny the above verse there are still several other verses that describe dinosaurs even with known animals of today: Leviathan (Job 41:1; Psalms 74:14;Psalms 104:26; Isaiah 27:1), Unicorns according to the Bible sounds more like a dinosaur than the stereotypical mythical horse we know (Numbers 24:8; Psalms 92:10; Job 39:9-12; Isaiah 34:7) and Pterodactyls (Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6). More Dinosaurs scriptures ( Deuteronomy 32:33; Job 30:29; Psalm 91:13; Isaiah 34:13; Isaiah 43:20; Jeremiah 14:6).

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Just to go a little more into Evolution, nothing takes God by surprise, the Bible actually makes a remarkable prediction that the Last Days will have false scientific ideas being taught:

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.

I hope that you understand now that the Bible is indeed a text which is worthy of study, these are just a handful of biblical truths confirmed by science. Since the Bible is correct when discussing scientific matters then it can, by inference, be reliable when it discusses about God, and His plan to use His Son, Jesus Christ as the means to save humanity. We all need to accept God’s word. The Bible states that Jesus existed, Jesus claimed to be God in the Bible, therefore God does in fact exist and Christians serve a Living God.

Psalms 33:4
For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

~Planet Zion